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Pakistan Islamists to protest against US bin Laden raid

Seeded on Thu May 5, 2011 6:56 AM EDT
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ISLAMABAD/KARACHI:

Pakistan’s most influential Islamist party urged its followers to hold mass protests on Friday to demand their government withdraw its support of the US war on militancy after US commandos killed Osama bin Laden near Islamabad.

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Jo.ex royal.navy

Well people, its all warming up in Pakistan. I am sure we will see some interesting developments. But what does America think?

You tell me.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Thu May 5, 2011 6:59 AM EDT
palin's uncle

Hi Jo, Good day. I am sure we will see some interesting developments.

Knowing your background, do you think that the problems will escalate, as Pakistan borders Afghanistan? Might it be that the action in the area will increase?

A very interesting seed.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:24 AM EDT
StevG-144

Some Pakistanis said they were too preoccupied with the hardships of living in a country with a troubled economy and chronic power shortages to join in any kind of protests

Good morning lov, I'm sure that there will protest and the religious group will have some, but over all according to the seed read, it does look like it will be large crowds of angry protesters. The Pakistan’s government doesn't want to interferewith the U.S. support, they may not be happy, but they are not stupid, it all hinges on how bad their religion party , can anger up the people to support the protests. We need Pakistan for getting to the fight on and around their territory, and if they denied that gee maybe the war would end, but that is a double edged sword, fighting to protect our country, on their land it better then a acceleration of terrorist here, and Alkaid left unchecked would grow and spread, so its a coin flip, I'm for bringing are people home, if all that happens.

Hello UNC, damn good to see ya

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:37 AM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Hi Stev,

The fear as I see it, is that now OBL is gone, there will be pressure on all the factions to take over all power. I also suspect that the problem will break out cross border.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:51 AM EDT
StevG-144

Jo, there will be pressure on all the factions to take over all power

There will be a power move from all groups, trying to flex their muscles to see what they can do and who is the strongest, and can dictate their enfluence The winner of that game, will be the one to enfluence the peoples feelings toward us, and the Pakestan government.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:47 AM EDT
jeremy-17

This should be a wake up call to Pakistan. All we need to do now is cut off the aid to get them fully off their asses.

    #1.5 - Sat May 7, 2011 11:52 PM EDT
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    Wizeguy

    Anti-American sentiment runs high in Pakistan

    Wow now we really did it...got the militants and terrorist mad at us...

    They claim to embrace and love death...so we gave him what he wanted a martyr's death..

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:20 AM EDT
    palin's uncle

    Wizeguy Wow now we really did it...got the militants and terrorist mad at us...

    Pakistan is going to be a hornets nest. They have Nuclear capability for a start. We will now possibly be forced to go in there too.

    • 2 votes
    #2.1 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:31 AM EDT
    Wizeguy

    Pakistan is going to be a hornets nest

    Pakistan "is" a hornets nest..the keep your friends close but your enemies closer quote applies. The only thing they (the government) likes about us is that $$ we give them...How long should we tolerate them playing us by playing both sides?

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:02 AM EDT
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    Georgia-3430660

    " Pakistan’s most influential Islamist party " The implication is that Pakistan was indeed hiding Usama Bin Laden. It is time for us to totally withdraw from the middle east. There is nothing to be gained by staying there...

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:31 AM EDT
    Randy McMurphy

    The right is awaiting their marching orders...they are being airdropped MRI's of talking points to nourish their empty little heads ...It looks as though they see the elimination of the greatest mass murderer of Americans since TOJO is a bad thing because it might upset the pakistan street. Yes they are that sensitive to international concerns/s/

    Bush threw 11 billion at the ISI to stop Bin Ladens operations in their country. Why would they ever do that? Alqueda is their reserve force in their eventual war with India. IsI aided the Mumbai terrorists attackers, in other words ...kindred spirits in a cluster @!$%#ey kind of way with Bush.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#4 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:35 AM EDT
    Really?-2872425

    Yawn...... The US government killed a terrorist. Buried him at sea. Won't release his picture.... Sounds like we're depriving them of their martyrdom of Osama... Too bad.. Personally, I like the way our president is handling this as it could get nasty.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:47 AM EDT
    Georgia-3430660

    I do not agree with much that president Obama has done, but I tend to agree with you on this one...

      #5.1 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:56 AM EDT
      Jo.ex royal.navy

      Hi Really.

      I think Obama gets 11 out of 10. But, the continuing security in the region is now in question.

      • 1 vote
      #5.2 - Thu May 5, 2011 7:57 AM EDT
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      Vlad's dog

      The ball is now in the Pakistan governments court. The radicals may step over a line and the Government will be hard pressed to take a stand at some time. Most likely scenario, the government pays the party off some how and makes the thing go away.

      If the Islamist Party causes great violence I think they will cut off thier nose to spite their face.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:08 AM EDT
      Jo.ex royal.navy

      Vlad's dog

      The problem with any fundamentalist, is their total commitment to their cause, without respect for human life, including their own.

      • 2 votes
      #6.1 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:56 AM EDT
      Vlad's dog

      I agree Jo, and that is where they always defeat themselves. You can only take these types so far and then they end up alienating everyone else.

      • 2 votes
      #6.2 - Thu May 5, 2011 9:01 AM EDT
      Jo.ex royal.navy

      We live in scary times Vlad. FR sent.

      • 1 vote
      #6.3 - Thu May 5, 2011 10:49 AM EDT
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      Topcat Roosevelt

      Well As much as I vehemently disagree with the right that does not mean in the macro if certain questions they ask now are not answered ...I want to know everything about this raid...and I think any federal elected representative should be allowed to view evidence we might not be privy to....Every president after Obama is going to get so much more of a media infotainment circus that surround anything vaguely extraordinary, republican or democrat, thats a reality that we haven't caught up with mentally.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#7 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:11 AM EDT
      socialjustice

      As some one said, if they were worried about Osama Bin Laden, they should have talked him out of a war against America.

      I have no respect for Muslim or Republican bigots.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#8 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:37 AM EDT
      Jo.ex royal.navy

      I find it more than coincidental that its always the hot heads that are in the thick of it.

      • 1 vote
      #8.1 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:49 AM EDT
      Georgia-3430660

      Really? Which bigots do you have respect for?

        #8.2 - Thu May 5, 2011 9:25 AM EDT
        Jo.ex royal.navy

        Georgia-3430660 Really? Which bigots do you have respect for?

        I find hot heads and bigots Impossible to deal with, I have no respect for any group, that are so focussed on their own self-interest, they are unable to see another point of view. Does that help you?

        • 1 vote
        #8.3 - Thu May 5, 2011 10:55 AM EDT
        Georgia-3430660

        In fact my comment was directed to the comment above yours.

        "As some one said, if they were worried about Osama Bin Laden, they should have talked him out of a war against America.

        I have no respect for Muslim or Republican bigots."

        I am always quite curious when a person makes a bigoted statement against some"bigot". You must admit referring to an entire group of people who happen to share political or religious beliefs as bigots is clearly a bigoted statement... Otherwise one is left with the question that I asked...If one does not respect "republican bigots", which bigots then? See what I mean? I have a serious distaste for those who profess to be part of the solution when they are clearly part of the problem!

        Thanks for your response though!

        • 2 votes
        #8.4 - Thu May 5, 2011 12:41 PM EDT
        Jo.ex royal.navy

        Georgia-3430660 Thanks for your response though!

        Now, you are someone I might like. FR sent. Welcome to Newsvine

        • 2 votes
        #8.5 - Thu May 5, 2011 1:39 PM EDT
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        Kearney Outlaw

        This is an inevitable consequence of our dysfunctional relationship with Pakistan. We were more closely aligned with India until 9/11, and paid little attention to friendly relations with them until we were attacked. Bush--in one of the few acts of foreign policy that made some sense--reached out to Pakistan, knowing full well that if we didn't, radicals driven from Afghanistan would just trot across the border. At the risk of alienating India, we chose to make Pakistan an "ally".

        The problem is, you can't simply throw money at a country and expect them to call you friend.

        We have consistently violated Pakistan's sovereignty, whether the reasons are justified or not, and whether backroom deals were reached with some of its shaky leadership. (Knowing full well that more than one government agency has its hands on the controls of their government.)

        Their people are angry with the US and see no commonality with us. The corrupt government pocketed any of the "bribes" we have extended, and in return, have given us permission to kill people within their borders using technology that is far from surgically precise. Unfortunately, those same officials have done a pretty good job of running a double game, blaming us while they gave permission.

        So what did we expect? This is a foreign policy nightmare and we need to clarify our position with Pakistan in a meaningful way.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#9 - Thu May 5, 2011 1:10 PM EDT
        Jo.ex royal.navy

        Kearney Outlaw Hi Sailor, good to see you here. xo.

        I think this is mined area, from a foreign policy perspective. America is as you say, not an historic ally of Pakistan. However, you do share an ally, and the Foreign Secretary of that ally, will try to secure an Operational Manoeuvre for a long-term way forward.

        • 3 votes
        #9.1 - Thu May 5, 2011 1:52 PM EDT
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        Really?-2872425

        Pakistan is certainly an uncertain at best. Keep your enemies close is probably more appropriate to our relations with them. When you have guys like Abdul Qadeer Khan selling centrifuge technology to the likes of Iran, Libya and North Korea, helping with nuclear proliferation to these countries you gotta wonder. What did the Pakistan government do but put him under house arrest for a couple years and now the guy is out on his own recognicance? You gotta wonder what type of ally Pakistan really is.

          Reply#10 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:22 PM EDT
          Kearney Outlaw

          So true, Really. Let's see what they do with the bits of stealth 'copter they recovered. This will be telling.

            #10.1 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:36 PM EDT
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