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Exposing Liberal Lies: The Call for Death for Homosexuals

Seeded on Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:11 AM EDT
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The Left is always eager to advance homosexuality and is quick to accuse conservatives of homophobia for opposing their gay agenda based on Biblical standards of morality.

Needless to say, there is one segment of the population who is radically opposed to gays to the point of calling for their death. I am speaking, of course, of the Islamists.
How can the Left be so silent about the call for death to homosexuals?

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Jo.ex royal.navy

How can the Left be so silent about the call for death to homosexuals?

And how can some people be so wrong about the left?

  • 13 votes
#1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:12 AM EDT
Pastor.Wade

And how can some people be so wrong about the left?

I dont agree with putting gay's to death, but America seems to be run by a lot of them at the moment. Their rights are starting to come first. It needs to be under control.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:23 AM EDT
Laochra

How do we run the country? I cant get married, I cant even get a Civil Partnership, if I lived in Wisconsin for example, my governor does not even want me to have the right to visit my partner when they are ill and hospitalised. In Kentucky, I could be ousted from my accommodation or employment or hell, even a restaurant for my sexuality. The vast majority of republican representatives want to restrict or in the more extreme cases, completely wipe out the basic protections I do have and I still, though hopefully that will be rectified soon, cant join the army. How are we running the country?

  • 72 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:28 AM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Pastor Wade It needs to be under control.

Thank you for your opinion, but I feel you might be the one that needs to be under control, but that is only IMO.

  • 26 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:29 AM EDT
beej mcl

pastor wade;

Their rights are starting to come first.

how's that, first before what? the way i see it, gays are only asking to have equal rights and they are not being given those. they are not being considered for rights that "straight" people do not already have.

  • 45 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:46 AM EDT
bonos_rama

Let's not forget to mention te Christian evangelicals who want gays put to death, and persuaded Ugandans to institute the death penalty for homosexuality. The bible and the koran are the same in this regard, yet there is nothing but silence. But the left, far from being silent, HAS come out against this. It was the right that remained silent.

The fact is, as Laochra pointed out, that in this country, it's not the muslims who are trying to institute religious rule. At this point and place in time it's Christians.

  • 69 votes
#1.5 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:50 AM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Hi, bonos.

Thank you for your comment. Really to the point as ever.

FR on the way to you.

  • 18 votes
#1.6 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:54 AM EDT
USA4Him

Pastor Wade,

I totally agree with you. This world, this nation has become so perverse and liberal, that what was once considered healthy and normal, and morally correct, is now being replaced with "criticism and intolerance and hate" towards Conservatives by the left.

This nation has become corrupt and hardened against anything that has to do with a Man=Woman, morals, values, family. Now, the left will defend their ways to the point of actually believeing that their ways are "right" and we are the bad ones.

I could care less if a gay/lesbian couple want to live together, but do not force your lifestyle in the news, just to get attention to yourselves. I will always believe in Creation, and God created a Man and a Woman's anatomy to fit in perfect harmony, but now, even that is being twisted??!!

PastorWade, friend request sent:)

  • 8 votes
#1.7 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:08 AM EDT
research100

I don't understand these terms "the left, the right, the this, the that",and maybe I'm not understanding this article post about killing a particular group of people. Homosexuals seem to be carrying the weight of all of the wrongdoing of all groups and clicks. If they are so wrong try them in an official court. Start with Chancery.

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:25 AM EDT
Walt42

Jo...thanks for introducing me to a 'Right' blog. I knew there had to be sites out there that have a less logical approach to life than here on Newsvine. Now I can go there to read a bit, whenever I feel good and want to be depressed a bit.

About the article. Lets not forget that it is OPINION, not news. And, when I read:

I oppose homosexuality because the Bible says that it is wrong, and I don't believe for a moment that gays are born to be homosexual.

It is obvious that the ignorance generated by following the word of the Bible, can be used to castigate those who just happen to follow the rudimentary ideas presented therein (love thy neighbor as thyself) conflated with the logic of science (studies that show differences between homo- and hetero- sexual's brains, along which psychological studies showing that sexual preferences by homosexual is innate, not learned).

  • 35 votes
#1.9 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:28 AM EDT
research100

Honestly, I don't know how valid this story is, but how would you feel if someone silently called to have you put to death and you had no idea? Scared is what you would be.

  • 15 votes
#1.10 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:35 AM EDT
King Dave

Every thing that is good, everything that is beautiful, everything that is honest, religion has ruined! Religion is the apex of stupidity and conceit. This is most evident in the Christian belief that this mysterious, elegant universe is a creation of a God man, who looks remarkably like an 18th century Western "White man."

Question the notion, "We are created sick, then ordered to be well."

  • 27 votes
#1.11 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:40 AM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Thank you KD :-)

  • 8 votes
#1.12 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:48 AM EDT
research100

what's the difference between organized religion and religion and what does it have to do with homosexuals (people who are attracted to the same sex or gender) I think religion is wonderful and worth keeping. Is attraction similar to magnetism and is it possible to deny a trait that defines your character.

  • 1 vote
#1.13 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:53 AM EDT
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Z1P2

Nice try jo-ex, but islamists belong to the conservative extreme already. Nice try at redefining the political spectrum though.

  • 9 votes
#1.15 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:12 AM EDT
Z1P2

how would you feel if someone silently called to have you put to death and you had no idea? Scared is what you would be.

How could you be scared if you had no idea? Wouldn't you have to know about it to be scared of it?

  • 7 votes
#1.16 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:14 AM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Thank you Z1p2.

  • 5 votes
#1.17 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:18 AM EDT
Ptolemy-k

Jo…When Progressives call for an end to religious extremism this mean religious extremism of all types. This is why it’s so important (imo) that we eliminate the Taliban (for example) in Afghanistan. It pains me enormously to think that after ten years of fighting there’s even the remotest possibility that the Taliban may return to power. Not (simply) because of the potential threat to the U.S., but because of the very immediate threat to Afghans – straight, gay, woman, child whatever.

Christian extremism, Islamic extremism, Taliban etc., they’re all cut from the same cloth. Don’t kid yourself.

  • 23 votes
#1.18 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:33 AM EDT
bonos_rama

Well said, Ptolemy. Let's not forget that the Taliban started out small, with just a few people, and nobody took them seriously. Everybody thought it was no big deal, wondering how a few extremists could possibly do any harm. Well, the lesson I took from the rise of the Taliban was to watch for signs of extremism everywhere and anywhere, but especially here in my own country. Movements like the Taliban start out small, but they can quickly grow in number and power.

Friend request accepted, Jo!

  • 21 votes
#1.19 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:42 AM EDT
Boatrocker

"I dont agree with putting gay's to death, but America seems to be run by a lot of them at the moment. Their rights are starting to come first. It needs to be under control."

"Pastor" Wade- Kindly offer some support for that laughable claim, and you might also elaborate on what you mean by "under control" and over whom else you would extend "control." Women? Brown folk? Jews?

  • 15 votes
#1.20 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:42 AM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

bonos. Let's not forget that the Taliban started out small,

Yes, and so did the Nazi's in the 1920's and 30's. Look how that ended up! Once these people get any traction, they will force their issues.

  • 12 votes
#1.21 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:46 AM EDT
Kate In Greensboro

Ever heard of a strawman?

  • 10 votes
#1.22 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:57 AM EDT
Rhazes

How do Clerics in some 14th century cess pool have anything to do with the Left in this country? They can't vote or run for office here.

  • 4 votes
#1.23 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:04 AM EDT
jamithy1

and I don't believe for a moment that gays are born to be homosexual.

Then the author is a moron, but then he believes in imaginary beings despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

How can the Left be so silent about the call for death to homosexuals?

because there is no chance of islamists getting their way here and having homosexuals killed, where as the Nut job conservatives do have a very good chance of getting their way and having Homosexuals civil rights suppressed. So why waste their time arguing the Islamist angle when it has no chance of succeeding.

  • 7 votes
#1.24 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:07 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

the main problem with this piece is that it assumes that liberals, or the left, is more closely aligned with the islamists (article's word), but this is not the truth. extremists in the muslim world are usually hardcore conservatives. they are most closely aligned with the conservative mantra, and this is consistently denounced by many on the left who see the persecution of homosexuals as wrong. many on the right, however, also condemn homosexuals, and homosexuality.

only in a bizarro world does this piece make sense.

  • 21 votes
#1.25 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Hi 800 lb. Thank you for calling by. :-)

  • 3 votes
#1.26 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:28 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

hi jo.

i do not think that we have met. it is nice to meet you here on the vine.

  • 4 votes
#1.27 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:29 AM EDT
Jim420

the claim about the left being silent.. ignores the H.R.C. and it's International Efforts..

funny how the right hates everything the left does, and then trys to say we are not doing enough on international issues.

once equal rights come first to all Americans, including gays, it will be under control.. but yet Pastor Wade you continue to spin the story, gays are not the ones out of control, it is those that wish to deny equality, that are out of control!

and I don't believe for a moment that gays are born to be homosexual.

And I don't believe for a moment that Virgins give birth to anyone..

  • 14 votes
#1.28 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT
Deb-658853

Maybe I've never had a chance to read them, so could someone please point me to some liberal women's rights sites devoted to fighting for the rights of Muslim women?

  • 1 vote
#1.29 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
malcontentious

once equal rights come first to all Americans, including gays,

It is not equal when you have to make special laws for one group.....but equality should be a about treating people as individuals not making laws to serve a particular group. Are we going to have learn how to treat gay people better in this society or should we just treat all people with the same courtesy and respect...deserving of all gods children?... the flaw is that when you look at people as gay or straight...laws become about we...some of the people. Hate crime laws should include all people who are capable of hate or being hated.

  • 1 vote
#1.30 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT
voiceontheleft

I think what the article tries to do is take one false assumption that has been readily accepted (liberals protect Muslims at all costs no matter how extreme their behavior) and extrapolate it into an even bigger lie (by proxy, in their willingness to defend all the extreme positions of Muslims, liberals advocate for death to homosexuals). It's yet another product of the right-wing echo chamber--once you have on lie established and people believing it, then you can build another lie on top of it, and the one on top of that. And eventually you construct a completely separate "reality" that continues to self-justify the bizarre "reasoning" evidences by some of the extreme members of the right wing.

Of course, in reality, the bulk of liberal ideology screams against extremism of any kind, whether Christian, Muslim or otherwise, and advocates for the rights of people. But this story is just a sad example of the belief of some extremists on the right that if you don't want to bomb the entirety of the Middle east into a giant oil-filled crater without any people living in it, then you love every tenet of radical Islam and want sharia law to rule throughout America. It's big lies like these that help them maintain such a high level of paranoia and histrionics.

  • 8 votes
#1.31 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:46 AM EDT
Michelle-340891

mal: So would you say the same about all the laws proposed about denying the right of gays to marry? That targets a specific group and makes a special law just for them ... denying them the right to have EQUALITY under the law.

And by the way, the laws to which I believe you're referring were put in place as PROTECTIONS, because they were NOT protected before. Just as Affirmative Action was put in place to fight against racial bigotry and discrimination.

  • 9 votes
#1.32 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:52 AM EDT
Rhazes

and I don't believe for a moment that gays are born to be homosexual.

Just because your attracted to both males and females and are able to stick with one does not mean everyone else is. No amount of alcohol or drugs will ever make me attracted to another men. I was born straight and will always be. If you think gays make the choice to be gay then you also think straights do to and if gays are abnormal than that makes you abnormal also since you had a choice. The majority of us don't.

Its just not going to happen. I was born straight I didn't choose to be straight.

  • 9 votes
#1.33 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:09 PM EDT
TheNavyChief

Hello Love - great seed.

I see people on here claim that the left is full of hate etc., for the right and that is just not so. It is for the ideas of intolerance for their fellow man no matter what their sexuality, religion, political affiliation or race that is constantly coming from the radical right. You have these religious looneys who believe in the whole Adam and Eve crap but refuse to acknowledge their brothers and sisters as equals and afford them equal status. It is a shame because until we get past this ignorance the human race will never be as great as it could be.

Love ya girl! xoxoxo

  • 12 votes
#1.34 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:30 PM EDT
ryoushi12

So how are things in the BNP, sailor?

I do love the classic fascist agitprop tactic of accusing your enemies of having your bigotry, Goebbels would be so proud.

  • 2 votes
#1.35 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT
StevieGee

And I don't believe for a moment that Virgins give birth to anyone..

Yeah, she really pulled a fast one didn't she? In the 2000 years since no teen mom has ever been able to duplicate such an astounding feat of deception. (although millions have tried.)

  • 5 votes
#1.36 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:39 PM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

Hate crime laws should include all people who are capable of hate or being hated.

they do.

  • 5 votes
#1.37 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:18 PM EDT
huskergal

Hi Jo,

I find it ludicrous that people consider homosexuality a sin. The illustrations in the bible on what is meant by male sleeping with male show forced sex. In other words RAPE!! Read Genesis 19 and Judges 19.

They had not yet lain down, when the townspeople; all the men of Sodom, young and old-all the people-gathered around the house and they yelled to Lot and said, "where are the men who came to your house? Bring them out so we may be intimate with them.

Missed here by the clergy of all religions is that Lot offered his daughters but the "Men" who were actually angels blinded the townspeople keeping the daughters from being raped.

While they were enjoying themselves, the men of the town, a depraved lot, had gathered about the house and were pounding on the door. They called out to the aged owner of the house, "Bring out the man who has come into your house, so that we can be intimate with him.

Only in the scripture there are no angels so when the man offered his daughter she was taken by the mob.

But the men in the town would not listen to him, so the man grabbed his concubine and pushed her out to them. They raped her and abused her all night long until morning; and they let her go.

She managed to crawl home and died at the doorstep.

It is an abomination; gang rape.

  • 6 votes
#1.38 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

ryoushi12 So how are things in the BNP, sailor?

I understand they are worried about the English Defence League. Which all goes to show that America does not hold the monopoly on nut jobs. I live and work in he Netherlands now, and we have our share here too. Thank you for your comment, but I felt it rather of little vaue.

  • 3 votes
#1.39 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:40 PM EDT
Mister Momo

Where did you get the stupid idea that the left lets Islamists Muslims say they want to kill homosexuals? We don't let anyone say that.

Because there is an alliance between the Hard Left and Islam.

That's probably the dumbest statement yet. You think that because we defend Muslims from unreasonable attacks by Christians, which is only fair. Some Christians say that all Muslims are terrorists, we correctly respond that they aren't, and you accuse us of being allied with Islam against Christianity. That is total bull. If Muslims started attacking Christians for all being terrorists (or something similar) we would defend Christianity the same way.

And when either religion tries to shove their beliefs down everybody else's throats, we attack them both. The hatred of gays is no less disgusting when expressed by Muslims than by Christians or Jews or anyone else.

Both groups strongly oppose capitalism,

Okay, somehow this sentence is even more intellectually bankrupt than the last. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

and they share a disdain for America,

Once gain, totally retarded statement.

Israel,

Only because they suck up billions of dollars from our tax money (I thought you conservatives were "fiscally responsible"?) and give us literally nothing in return. I'm not even joking. They've done nothing for us in their entire history. Plus, their principles of religious rule are completely at odds with what America stands for. What reason is there to support them? None.

and Christianity.

No. No.

Many on the left are Christian. I might even say the majority of them.

We only attack Christians (AND Muslims, AND Jews, AND every other religion) when they try to shove their beliefs down the entire nation's throat. If you would just leave everyone alone and stop with the self righteous BS and trying to make religious laws then we would leave you alone in turn.

This article is completely worthless. Instead of getting your opinions from a random ignoramus of a blogger, why don't you formulate some opinions of your own? Take a look at the real world for once.

  • 7 votes
#1.40 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:40 PM EDT
james ca.

Deb-658853

Maybe I've never had a chance to read them, so could someone please point me to some liberal women's rights sites devoted to fighting for the rights of Muslim women?

  • !

#1.29 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:36 AM PDT

http://houzanmahmoud.blogspot.com/2010/04/do-iraqs-women-miss-saddam.html

http://www.madre.org/index/meet-madre-1/our-partners-6/iraq-the-organization-of-womens-freedom-in-iraq-37.html

http://www.equalityiniraq.com/home

http://www.womenforwomen.org/global-initiatives-helping-women/help-women-iraq.php?gclid=CK_ShKrMx6kCFQFvbAodsWHt-g

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-06-26/world/pysk.mohammed_1_honor-killings-baghdad-morgue-iraqi-women?_s=PM:WORLD

  • 7 votes
#1.41 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:14 PM EDT
JEFFINVA

To answer the seeded question about why we bitch about Republicans and not Islamists.

The reason is because Republicans are in power of a section of our government which directly affects the population and the rights of citizens in the US. I don't agree w/ the Islamist philosophy of putting gay men and women to death but their views don't have any direct effect on me or homosexuals in this country. Also considering that most Middle Eastern countries are "behind the times" for lack of a better term, I find it even more deplorable that leaders of the US share some of the same views as said radical Islamists.

  • 4 votes
#1.42 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:30 PM EDT
james ca.

Even Islam disowns Islamist. To say the left condones anything Islamist do or represent is just silly. The main reason by far for the right being so concerned with Islamist (Islamic terrorist) - the main reason radical Islam (not terrorist, but supporters of strict Sharia law) or Islamist are on the radar of conservatives, as far as I'm concerned, is because they're concerned that their extremest POV they intend to impose on the unwilling masses, might not be able to compete with the extremist POV radical Muslims & all Islamist want to impose on the unwilling masses. I don't get the sense that R's want to protect peoples freedom from anything Islam. It seems to me that the goal of the R party of today is to protect their potential completemonopoly of religious freedom, which R's believe should be much more refined to the tune of Christianity, regardless of anyones wishes to not be subjected to any forced religion/religiously based civil laws. The R's have been working so hard to place their religious extremest in key political and civil positions for a long time now - to much success - they don't intend to allow room for any competition from any other religions.

  • 2 votes
#1.43 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:54 PM EDT
malcontentious

mal: So would you say the same about all the laws proposed about denying the right of gays to marry?

what is your point in asking the question?

And by the way, the laws to which I believe you're referring were put in place as PROTECTIONS, because they were NOT protected before. Just as Affirmative Action was put in place to fight against racial bigotry and discrimination.

The idea that you can make laws that protect only a certain group of people while leaving others unprotected is unnaceptable im my opinion...should someone be protected from a sexual preference crime and you not protected? Should we punish a person to 10 years in jail for a crime committed against a person because he or she is gay?, 12 years if he or she is african american and gay?....or 5 years if the person whom the crime is committed against is white and male?...And your going to say straights are protected...but not with laws that are because they are straight or can only be protected by the law 1/2 of the time if you are bisexual. So if one group can get protected why not everyone?...so go ahead make the argument why they need to be treated differently under the law...my point stands...equality is for all.

While we are at it should govt make you pay extra taxes because you are gay?...extra representation should mean extra taxation right?...or because the person is affluent and white he should be taxed at a higher percentage? wealth is a group of people just like gay or asian is a group. If you had just asked the first question and left it at that I would have given an opinion...and since you are lefty..that being you see the need for laws to protect only a portion of America...why dont you ask for your legislators to make laws for a union between two people that is specific for just that certain group...mean while others like myself, will ask for all peoples to be treated equal...something lefty doesnt want to do nor will make the effort on behalf of the people...and before you make a rebuttal...think about the person that you know of that makes over 200k per year and tell me what they did to be taxed at a much higher rate than you and why a person who just wanted to have a family with kids doesnt deserve to be protected equally because they arent GLBT.

    #1.44 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT
    james ca.

    malcontentious

    Maybe I'm hearing you wrong - but you seem to speaking from an artificial place where the playing field is presumed to be level for everyone taking part in the game of life. This simply isn't the case - and it seems to be the same mentality of people complaining about Affirmative Action for Blacks, saying they are privileging Blacks over whites and is therefore a law enforcing discrimination - rather than seeing it for what it truly is - which is a campaign to give Blacks whatever extra help they need to make up for all the lost opportunity they experienced for generations and generations, and even to this day. If LGBT folk were not denied equality, your POV would be perfectly valid - but w/o special protections for LGBT, they would suffer social inequality. A judge was just sued in Ca because of his sexuality - there are allot of people who if they had their way, would enforce very unequal laws/rights for some people while affording full rights to others --- such laws to insure this does not happen for groups known to be subjected to such bigotry help insure this does not happen.

    • 4 votes
    #1.45 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT
    Mister Momo

    Guys.

    MUSLIMS.

    MUUSSLIIIMMSSS.

    I'm going to have to start saying "Christianists".

    • 3 votes
    #1.46 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT
    jamithy1

    rather than seeing it for what it truly is - which is a campaign to give Blacks whatever extra help they need to make up for all the lost opportunity they experienced for generations and generations, and even to this day

    The problem most have with it, is that we are being discriminated against now for what our grandfathers did to their grandfathers. Their are more rich white people than rich black people, yes that is true,.... but there is also more poor white people than poor Black people, this is because there are more white people. you have to look at both ends of the spectrum.

    You cant say "black people need a boost, there are 3 times as many rich white people and thats not fair" without also saying " hey white people need a boost, there are 3 times as many poor white people as there are black".

      #1.47 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT
      james ca.

      Guys.

      MUSLIMS.

      MUUSSLIIIMMSSS.

      I'm going to have to start saying "Christianists".

      Here is the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist. A Muslim is a person who follows the Islamic faith. An Islamist is someone who has given up their Islamic faith to instead attain political/religious goals through the use of terrorism, rather than how a Muslim would spread the Islamic faith which is through less violent means generally, and when arms are to be taken up - terrorism is still not an option to devout Muslims. When a Muslim uses force, it is not to be against the general populace, only on the battle field against the people trying to take you out right there in the here & now. When A Muslim uses terror, issued upon innocent civilians - they are disowning their Islamic faith, they are disowned by Islam - and they have become Islamist. Many or even most Islamist may consider themselves devout Muslims, but they are not true Muslims in the eyes of Islam. http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Notes.htm section 12

      3. "Islamist terrorism is an immediate derivative of Islamism.This term distinguishes itself from Islamicby the fact that the latter refers to a religion and culture in existence over a millennium, whereas the first is a political/reli-gious phenomenon linked to the great events of the 20th century. Furthermore Islamists define themselves as 'Islamiyyoun/Islamists' precisely to differentiate themselves from 'Muslimun/Muslims.'...

      • 1 vote
      #1.48 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
      james ca.

      The problem most have with it, is that we are being discriminated against now for what our grandfathers did to their grandfathers.

      That's right. That's the reality. Our grandfathers & their grandfathers & their grandfathers' great grandfathers made sure Blacks were the bottom feeders of society for many many many generations, back to a time when black people were literally treated worse than farm animals & used as such, and for a long time so, to more recent times with the likes of Jim Crow - all the while our white ancestors were building legacies - having the potential to mass fortunes to last for generations within a single family. There are white people who suffer today true, but it's not because their ancestors were whipped to death by black folk, or because their great uncle who had a successful business was lynched out of business denying the family a potential fortune & family empire. From being treated as less than a farm animal during slavery - to being treated as a second class citizen during the Jim Crow days - Black folk of today deserve far more than just affirmative action in my mind. Can you come up with anything white folk went through on such a mass scale, through so many phases of disrespect for such a long time, such as what all blacks were subjected to by our ancestors? Not even mentioning the clearly uneven playing field of today, that while it lacks the whips & chains - still manages to undermine and oppress the Black population more so that the white population.

      http://withoutsanctuary.org/main.html Super Amazing site, -WARNING-, graphic images, viewer discretion advised - a very evil side of recent American history we should all be fully aware of to the greatest degree possible.

      http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/what.htm The best discription of Jim Crow laws I have found - great site!

      • 2 votes
      #1.49 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:36 PM EDT
      lib50

      could someone please point me to some liberal women's rights sites devoted to fighting for the rights of Muslim women?

      We are a little busy right now trying to preserve our own rights, Deb. Perhaps you would like to join us? Or are you one of those trying to take away the rights and freedoms of American women?

      • 2 votes
      #1.50 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:37 PM EDT
      Karen in Los Angeles

      Ms. Royal Navy

      I don't understand how you feel you are qualified to dismiss Pastor Wade, especially since you have to live in Canada or the UK or somewhere they have a Royal Navy.

      In the USA, we don't have royal anything.

      I LIVE in the USA and I AGREE with Pastor Wade. I am soooo over homosexuals claiming they don't have rights. At this point, I work against them because I think they whine too much.

      • 1 vote
      #1.51 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:41 PM EDT
      StevieGee

      You hating homosexuals because some of them whine too much is like me hating everybody in LA because you whine too much.

      • 6 votes
      #1.52 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:21 PM EDT
      Jim420

      The Queen Mary is docked in LA.. so that makes you just as unqualified to post on the topic.

      I am so over straights whining about gays asking for equality, I work against them because they discriminate too much.

      • 10 votes
      #1.53 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:02 PM EDT
      C. Y.

      Want to know the best way to get homosexuals to stop "whining" about equal rights?????

      GIVE THEM EQUAL RIGHTS.

      It's quite easy, you know. All they want is to be able to visit their partner in the hospital, give their partner health benefits when their partner loses his/her job, and have all the other benefits that straight married people take for granted. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with their wanting to be able to commit to their loved one for life and to be able to enjoy the benefits of that union?

      Jim420--LOL. :)

      • 13 votes
      #1.54 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:22 PM EDT
      Randy McMurphy

      Karen

      Jesus, can you not grasp the idea of EX-Royal Navy? I don't know but I'm assuming she was in the royal navy and is an expatriate living in Holland as Europeans move about their nations the way we move around the states, except you could smoke pot and eat frittes with homeade whipped mayo in Holland. I'd be there with her if I could Holland is a great country, I haven't been back there in 12 years.

      I guess you would be against Black Civil rights because they were "Whining" about not having them, and the Suffragettes who were "Whining" to give YOU specifically the right to vote that you know enjoy?

      • 10 votes
      #1.55 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:55 PM EDT
      malcontentious

      >Maybe I'm hearing you wrong - but you seem to speaking from an artificial place where the playing field is presumed to be level for everyone taking part in the game of life. This simply isn't the case

      If LGBT folk were not denied equality, your POV would be perfectly valid - but w/o special protections for LGBT,

      I am going to assrt that there is a better way to look at this. Read this and at the link also

      You and I want our lives to matter. We want our lives to make a real difference - to be of genuine consequence in the world. We know that there is no satisfaction in merely going through the motions, even if those motions make us successful or even if we have arranged to make those motions pleasant. We want to know we have had some impact on the world. In fact, you and I want to contribute to the quality of life. We want to make the world work.

      When you look at making the world work, you are confronted by, and cannot pass over, the fact that each year 15 million of us die as a consequence of starvation. This unparalleled failure for humanity enables us to see that the world's unworkability is located in the very condition in which we live our lives. Thus, it is not people "out there" who are starving; people are starving "here" - in the space in which you and I live. You and I are working to make our lives work in the same condition that results in hunger and starvation.

      http://www.wernererhard.net/thpsource.html

      They way you look at this problem andthe ;laws democvrats enact..doom people to the vision that you so espouse...but I say we can do better the choice is yours...stay were you are or evolve..check the link....

        #1.56 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:37 AM EDT
        Janeinthisworld

        I am soooo over homosexuals claiming they don't have rights. At this point, I work against them because I think they whine too much.

        So essentially, you are admitting that you oppose gay marriage for no better reason than sheer meanness and because you can. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.

        • 10 votes
        #1.57 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:20 AM EDT
        Randy McMurphy

        Mal
        What are you on about? And Who is this Werner dude, I looked him up and he was some a used car salesaman with no formal education. How is he relevant to this seed.

        • 3 votes
        #1.58 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:28 AM EDT
        Jo.ex royal.navy

        Randy McMurphy can you not grasp the idea of EX-Royal Navy? I don't know but I'm assuming she was in the royal navy and is an expatriate living in Holland as Europeans move about their nations the way we move around the states, except you could smoke pot and eat frittes with homeade whipped mayo in Holland. I'd be there with her if I could Holland is a great country, I haven't been back there in 12 years.

        Not only are you correct about my status, you are also correct about the lifestyle too. Something’s I hope might never change, so there is a bit of Republican in me. Hahahaha. OK, you have not been over here for a while, I know its not the same love, but a FR is on its way to you. Xoxo.

        Karen in Los Angeles I don't understand how you feel you are qualified to dismiss Pastor Wade,

        Hello Karen, genuinely very nice to meet you here. The Pastor and I have a little history, and he and I have an understanding, that may appear to be a misunderstanding, nothing personal, just banter. I don’t mean to dismiss him as well he knows, or he would come back at me.

        especially since you have to live in Canada or the UK or somewhere they have a Royal Navy.

        I am a retired Royal Navy officer. I am from the UK but now live and work in The Netherlands. I met Homosexuals in the Navy from all over the world, including America, both military and civilians alike. I was able to get on with both male and female types, and as a heterosexual female found no problems in understanding, and dealing with the concerns and issues that are faced by members of the GLBT community. I will say this. There are some members of that community that are rather outspoken about their positioning, but I am sure that everyone must agree, this problem is not unique to homosexuals.

        • 5 votes
        #1.59 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:45 AM EDT
        huskergal

        Karen,

        Do not judge others or you will be judged. Your whining is worse than anyone elses whining on this site. You hate their whining because you hate your whining. If you want their whining to stop; give them equal rights. We do not know what to give you to stop your whining. Please enlighten us so that we may help.

        • 7 votes
        #1.60 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:20 AM EDT
        Jo.ex royal.navy

        Ptolemy-k

        Christian extremism, Islamic extremism, Taliban etc., they’re all cut from the same cloth. Don’t kid yourself.

        I am sorry to report to you, that IMO there will always be an extremist faction somewhere in the world. People have ideals, not always good intentioned ones either. I have had first hand experience in this subject. It is a regrettable part of democracy, that certain people and groups get their say, and have a chance to rise to power. For me, one of the recurring nightmares I have is that Pakistan falls to such a power. Remember this, Pakistan is a nuclear power. Now that is very scary to me. Those weapons falling to an organisation such as The Taliban would make a very unstable world. This is why it is so important to support Pakistan. FR sent.

        • 7 votes
        #1.61 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:23 AM EDT
        TheNavyChief

        Jo - exactly! The old saying that 'You can't please everyone' is so true and someone will always be disgruntled and always upsetting the apple cart.

        • 4 votes
        #1.62 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:20 PM EDT
        Karen in Los Angeles

        huskergal

        Why don't YOU stop judging and YOU won't be judged.

        Thanks for the reply Ex Royal Navy.

        My honorary twin sister is Dutch but she lives in Italy. The Netherlands is a great country. It's definitely NOT the UK or the USA though.

        Since you and Pastor Wade routinely trade barbs, I'll stay out of it.

        Nonetheless, I don't think anyone should be discriminated against, INCLUDING NON-GAY PEOPLE.

        I do not agree with gay marriage at all. Homosexual couples ARE NOT THE SAME as heterosexual couples.

        I don't think anyone should call for anyone's death unless it is justifiable homicide.

          #1.63 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT
          samenslow

          No. Hetrosexual couples consist of two different sexes. Homosexual couples consist of two people of the same sex. That is the only difference.

          • 2 votes
          #1.64 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:34 PM EDT
          jamithy1

          I do not agree with gay marriage at all. Homosexual couples ARE NOT THE SAME as heterosexual couples

          and a return to the same old question, why should their rights be determined by what YOU agree with.

          • 5 votes
          #1.65 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
          daMamma

          I do not agree with gay marriage at all. Homosexual couples ARE NOT THE SAME as heterosexual couples.

          I do not agree with males at all. Males are not the same as females.
          I do not agree with paramedics at all. Paramedics are not the same as doctors.
          I do not agree with teachers at all. Teachers are not the same as professors.
          I do not agree with cats at all. They are not the same as dogs.

          See how stupid that sounds. Why does anyone care what another couple do or don't do? As long as everyone involved are consenting and of age, who's business is it besides those directly involved?

          • 6 votes
          #1.66 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:11 PM EDT
          huskergal

          huskergal

          Why don't YOU stop judging and YOU won't be judged.

          Karen,

          Thank you. I definitely needed to be reminded of that. I appreciate your pointing it out.

          • 1 vote
          #1.67 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:24 PM EDT
          Karen in Los Angeles

          No. Hetrosexual couples consist of two different sexes. Homosexual couples consist of two people of the same sex. That is the only difference.

          I don't agree and not to forget - the difference YOU AGREE WITH IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

            #1.68 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:38 PM EDT
            Karen in Los Angeles

            damomma

            It is NOT a stupid comparison.

            Gay people say they are just like heterosexual people so I am pointing out the inaccuracy of their statement because they have reached a feverish pitch.

            A homosexual couple IS NOT THE SAME as a heterosexual couple. PERIOD.

            It needs to be said because I am tired of hearing gay people say they are just like everyone else.

            NO THEY ARE NOT.

            It does not mean we kill them or be intolerant of them.

            BUT WE DO NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

              #1.69 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:41 PM EDT
              daMamma

              Please explain how they are not just like anybody else. Are they not human? Less human? What exactly makes someone from the LGBT community not like anyone else?

              Why do this group of people not deserve exactly the same rights as any other group of people.

              • 2 votes
              #1.70 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:45 PM EDT
              Ptolemy-k

              Jo…I’m an ex-combat veteran. Believe me, I know the score. FR accepted.

                #1.71 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:51 PM EDT
                Jim420

                Gays couples ARE the same as heterosexuals. but even if your opinion is they are not..

                THEY ARE EQUAL AND THAT IS THE POINT.. heterosexual couples are not the SAME AS EACH OTHER.. people are different.. BUT HUMANS ARE ALL THE SAME. . AND THAT'S THE POINT

                • 4 votes
                #1.72 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:19 PM EDT
                StevieGee

                "Really, life is complicated enough without having a bunch of Senators deciding what we should do in the privacy of our own homes."

                Barbara Boxer

                • 3 votes
                #1.73 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:08 PM EDT
                Mister Momo

                BUT WE DO NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

                Just like we need to remember that black people are not the same as white people.

                Are you proud of yourself?

                • 6 votes
                #1.74 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:35 AM EDT
                james ca.

                A homosexual couple IS NOT THE SAME as a heterosexual couple. PERIOD.

                No two heterosexual couples are exactly the same. Unless maybe twin sisters are married to a set of twin brothers :) And what about a heterosexual couple who never plans on having children, to the point of a pre-agreed upon abortion if necessary- and birth control always, never intending for any intimacy to lead to a child & willing to do whatever it takes to prevent a child? Just curious exactly how high the bar is to qualify as a ligitimate marriage/couple. I assume by pointing out that a gay couple is different than a straight couple, & that you do not believe in gay marriage, you are saying one is less than the other. Where ecactly is the top of that mountain, and who exactly is allowed to access to it in your mind?

                • 6 votes
                #1.75 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:31 PM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                Hi james.

                Thank you for posting, you might be right to be curious.

                • 5 votes
                #1.76 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:36 PM EDT
                Reply
                Laochra

                My view is that, at least in the western world and on our front door step, its not the Islamists that are calling for my death or the reduction of my rights. You are very right that it is a horrible issue what occurs in the Middle East and certain African countries such as Uganda where awful atrocities occur in the name of religion, both Christian and Muslim alike, but here and now its is Christianity and, not to generalise, but a large portion of the religious right that are calling me awful things, equating me to pedophiles and trying to legislate how I live my life. The closer things are to you, the more you pay attention, Such is human nature.

                • 36 votes
                Reply#2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:22 AM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                Hi Laochra.

                You put your point so well, it is such a shame so many people are so blind to the truth. Thank you for calling by. :-)

                • 12 votes
                #2.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:27 AM EDT
                Laochra

                Thanks Jo! Civil debate tends to be missing on newsvine all too much recently!

                • 6 votes
                #2.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:30 AM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                Laochtra.

                I had noticed it has started getting a little snark on snark. :-)

                • 8 votes
                #2.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:34 AM EDT
                palin's uncle

                Hi Girls, nice to see ya!

                Pastor Wade, shame you made it?

                This just shows how distorted the right are now thinking. I used to be one, I should know. But, not any more. This is evil personified.

                • 14 votes
                #2.4 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:41 AM EDT
                Z1P2

                You are very right that it is a horrible issue what occurs in the Middle East and certain African countries such as Uganda

                Technically the push for the death penalty for gays in Uganda was the work of the Christian Family Council rather than any Islamic group.

                • 16 votes
                #2.5 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:16 AM EDT
                Laochra

                Oh yes, I know. I said "Christians and Muslims alike" but I probably should have seperated the two a bit clearer. Apologies. But there you go though, the Ugandan issue was prompted by American evangelicals, if there was ever a legitimate reason to worry about Christian influence there you have it!

                • 14 votes
                #2.6 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:32 AM EDT
                daMamma

                I find that more than a little horrifying. It seems to me to be a "test site" of sorts, the pushing of the Ugandan government to legislate a death penalty for being gay. Even those who would speak out against this, or try to protect those who are gay or lesbian can spend years in jail.

                These are the same folks that would be all too pleased to see the same right here at home. We are who we are born to be. Male, female, gay, straight, bi or trans. None choose, it just is. All should have the same rights regardless.

                I would say most folks on the left do not care what religion anyone else follows, or doesn't. Nor do they particularly care if any other person is straight or not. Sadly the same cannot be said for many of the folks that would call themselves "conservative" or to the [far] right.

                This article is taking more than a few steps into fantasy and projects a great deal. Unfortunate in its author's deliberate ignorance. [that's the author of the article seeded, not the seeder : )]

                • 1 vote
                #2.7 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:38 PM EDT
                Reply
                TIMOTAYO

                Well, I guess my partner and I have to sell the lighting company and get rid of our home on the hill in San Rafael. It's the only way for the mullahs to feel good about our partnership. DOWN WITH CAPITALISM!

                P.S....Can we keep the Jag?

                • 8 votes
                Reply#3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:39 AM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                P.S....Can we keep the Jag?

                Maybe? Ask the pastor, he talks to these people. hahaha. Good morning.

                • 8 votes
                #3.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:45 AM EDT
                NoMoreSuffering

                P.S....Can we keep the Jag?

                No, you may not! It must be forfeited immediately. I'll be by to pick it up later. I hope it's a color I like. And if you could, gas it up for me first. Thanks.

                ----------

                FoolsGladly

                • 9 votes
                #3.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:20 AM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                NoMoreSuffering No, you may not! It must be forfeited immediately.

                Sorry, but the pastor has it in safe keeping for his boss. Hahahahahaha!! :-)

                • 6 votes
                #3.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:41 AM EDT
                daMamma

                Hey, I wanted the Jag! Kitties are cool and Jags have kitties on them. I hope its a red one, because everyone knows red goes faster! [LOL]

                • 3 votes
                #3.4 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:41 PM EDT
                Reply
                DeezzeeeeDeleted
                lowflyer

                Gee...a little deflection? A little lie? Don't look at our attack on homosexuals in this country, look what's happening "over there"?

                This was one pathetic attempt at covering up the right's actions here. But we already see you, already got our hands full trying to restrain your extreme actions HERE. Yet we do find time to assist in helping our neighboring countries....sheesh~~~

                • 12 votes
                Reply#5 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:48 AM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                lowflyer.

                Can you say more?

                • 1 vote
                #5.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:56 AM EDT
                StevG-144

                I will never understand all these crazy God fearing groups who call for the deaths of homosexuals. How can you be so crazy to call for the death of anyone and your God tells you to react the way they do. These are the people who are trying to take over our government, and make you and I live by their rules, who next after they kill all homosexuals, red headed people, people who are lefthanded, when is killing over, it wouldn't be, they would just move on to the next group.

                • 17 votes
                #5.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:02 AM EDT
                Muhammad. Amir. Khan

                When Islamic laws are fully introduced into United States Law, homosexuality will be punishable by death. But, this will only be in certain cases. We are already talking to some republican leading lights on this.

                • 1 vote
                #5.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:04 AM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                StevG Good morning. :-) I will never understand all these crazy God fearing groups who call for the deaths of homosexuals.

                I think its all about the money for some, and all about the hate for others. Each one feeds the other huh?

                • 9 votes
                #5.4 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:09 AM EDT
                truthseeker9000

                When Islamic laws are fully introduced into United States Law, homosexuality will be punishable by death. But, this will only be in certain cases. We are already talking to some republican leading lights on this.

                You forgot to put the "sarc" tag on your comment.......... I hope.

                • 1 vote
                #5.5 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:55 PM EDT
                Reply
                jfrank

                [1] Any belief in a cloud wizard is pretty crazy.

                [2] Not all Muslims take the Koran literal.

                [3] Yay gay people.

                • 16 votes
                Reply#6 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:07 AM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                jfrank. Not all Muslims take the Koran literal.

                It’s the interpretation that causes the problem, but is it not the same with all extremist zealots?

                Thank you for calling and making your comment. :-)

                • 9 votes
                #6.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:12 AM EDT
                CMlawyer

                jfrank: The problem I have is not so much with Muslims taking the Koran literally, but with Christians taking their own personal interpretations of the Bible literally, since those Christians are having a much greater influence on my life here in the US at this time. As the author of the article said (paraphrasing) "homosexuality is bad because the Bible says so." BS. The Bible doesn't say so, and even if it did, that Bible is the blueprint for Christians NOT for Americans. Yet so many extreme conservatives want to restrict my freedoms (e.g. sexual and reproductive) based on their personal (and often faulty) Biblical interpretations. I will not go to the Mid-east and try to force American ways on the Muslims there. I will stay here in the US and ask my fellow Americans to abide by American law which is based NOT on the Bible but on the U.S. Constitution.

                • 15 votes
                #6.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:23 AM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                CMlawyer

                Thank you so much for your comment.

                Again, I say the whole issue always rests on the distorted interpretation of religious framework.

                • 6 votes
                #6.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:31 AM EDT
                Reply
                Zorkmid

                I think Pastor.Wade is a little off base with his comment, but if he is a pastor then he will tell you that in the bible, homosexuality is frowned upon. Do gays deserve to die, of course not. Should they be allowed the same rights as married people, why not? My state just passed the civil union law allowing all of that to happen.

                What I don't agree with is how some (not all) homosexuals try and force their beliefs or views on others. I don't care if you're gay, straight, or into sheep, I don't need to see it every day on TV or on the internet about how great gay people are. They are no more great than straight people are. Gay pride day, month, year...give me a break. Comedians have recently gotten into trouble with making gay jokes, or giving their opinions about homosexuals. What happened to freedom of speech? Why does everyone HAVE to like gay people? It's going to turn into another race type issue. It's wrong if you don't like blacks, chinese, or the dutch. It's wrong if you don't like gays.. you're racists, you're a hatemonger if you don't like them. I have several friends that are gay but they know that I don't think they are born that way and I don't really think it's the way that nature intended for things to be. I love them as friends and always will no matter what I think of their lifestyle.

                Live your life the way it makes you happy, but if someone makes a statemtment about it, it's their opinion. It doesn't make them right, it doesn't make them wrong. Calling for the death of someone because they are gay IS wrong. Calling for the death of any person due to their race, religion, or orientation is wrong.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#7 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:08 AM EDT
                Jo.ex royal.navy

                Zorkmid Live your life the way it makes you happy, but if someone makes a statemtment about it, it's their opinion. It doesn't make them right, it doesn't make them wrong. Calling for the death of someone because they are gay IS wrong. Calling for the death of any person due to their race, religion, or orientation is wrong.

                Thank you, and that says it all. I am in The Netherlands, we are starting to see the hate here.

                • 7 votes
                #7.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:25 AM EDT
                Bajee

                What I don't agree with is how some (not all) homosexuals try and force their beliefs or views on others. I don't care if you're gay, straight, or into sheep, I don't need to see it every day on TV or on the internet about how great gay people are. They are no more great than straight people are.

                There is a double standard here though. When you see a man and a woman walking down the street holding hands you barely notice it at all, its just normal to you. But when you see two men or two women holding hands you feel that they are "forcing their beliefs down your throat".

                I don't think they are born that way

                Despite the overwhelming amount of scientific evidence showing that they are?

                • 4 votes
                #7.2 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:47 AM EDT
                daMamma

                Despite the overwhelming amount of scientific evidence showing that they are?

                I think because their religious leadership insists that it is a sin and a chosen one at that that gives them this silly idea. A deliberate misinterpretation of a single verse in their holy book causes (or rather justifies) so much hate, intolerance and bigotry. Dang shame imo.

                • 2 votes
                #7.3 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT
                huskergal

                Homosexuality is just a hobgoblin used by politicians to get themselves elected.It is a way to control the masses. They know there is nothing they can do about it because we are all under the law of the constitution Its the ninth Amendment to the Constitution:The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people..

                It is interesting because

                It assures people that there are rights that members of a free society are entitled to, although neither Madison nor any of the other founding fathers ever stated just what they thought these rights were. Some people believe that they include the so-called natural rights including life, liberty, and property, or the right to pursue happiness.

                http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/bill_of_rights/media/nine.htm

                IMHO, we all have the right to life, liberty, property, and to pursue happiness.

                • 1 vote
                #7.4 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:46 PM EDT
                Reply
                steven-791492

                Last time I checked it was only right wing American Christians that are pushing for laws, that would force me to live by their twisted idea of moral.

                Maybe I missed the Islamic push into my bedroom..... :)

                • 16 votes
                Reply#8 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:21 AM EDT
                TIMOTAYO

                What's wrong with you, Steven? Don't you remember how Jihadi Joe treated you at our last strategy meeting in Frisco?

                • 4 votes
                #8.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:24 AM EDT
                lib50

                Last time I checked it was only right wing American Christians that are pushing for laws, that would force me to live by their twisted idea of moral.

                Really, they are the ones who are also trying to impinge on the rights and freedoms of women.

                • 3 votes
                #8.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:40 PM EDT
                Reply
                David-933354

                "The Left" doesn't push homosexuality, they push equal rights regardless of sexual orientation. As to the Left and Islam, when you look at fundamentalists, Islam and the Christian Right is much more aligned, so this seems to be some sort of projection by the author. Seems as if the author is upset that "The Left" doesn't hate gays or muslims.

                • 13 votes
                Reply#9 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:16 AM EDT
                arkpdx

                And just what rights that I have do the gays not have?

                Getting married is not a right. Getting put on an employer paid insurance policy is not a right. Automatic property inheritance is not a right.

                So just what rights are they missing?

                  #9.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:51 AM EDT
                  Michelle-340891

                  ark: How about equality under the law? That's a fundamental belief of this country and our Constitution. Why do "married" couples have rights and responsibilities to each other and society that are DENIED to gay people? For what reason other than the fact that they're attracted to members of the same sex are they denied those rights and responsibilities given to hetero couples?

                  And I'm sorry, one of the fundamental arguments from anti-gay rights people is that gay marriage undermines and destroys the institution of marriage. Which is a load of crap, as no one outside a marriage can have any power over that marriage. What someone ELSE does should not and can not affect MY marriage, unless I allow it to.

                  • 6 votes
                  #9.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT
                  D Luniz-1282741

                  Loving vs Virginia disagrees with you

                  Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

                  • 5 votes
                  #9.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:28 PM EDT
                  Janeinthisworld

                  And just what rights that I have do the gays not have?

                  Is that a legitimate question? Really? I mean come on, really?

                  Heterosexual couples have the right to marry each other under civil law. They are afforded a couple thousand rights and benefits because of that civil marriage. Homosexual couples do not, except in the handful of states where it is legal, and even then if they cross over into another state which does not have gay marriage then they are not legally recognized as married. Even most heterosexual couples who come here from other countries are given the basic respect of their legal civil marriage almost without exception.

                  So again, honestly, are you really asking that question? Really? You are either ignorant or being purposely obtuse. Really?

                  • 4 votes
                  #9.4 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:34 AM EDT
                  daMamma

                  Janeinthisworld, I think it is intentional blindness to reality that causes some folks to ask such stupid questions. It also allows for the(ir) justification of discrimination, bigotry, hate, spite and a slew of other negative emotions/actions against a portion of our community. It would be wonderful if such attitudes could be changed to reflect reality.

                  • 2 votes
                  #9.5 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:52 AM EDT
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                  Susan-649485

                  It's simply an outright lie to say that liberals are being silent about gay issues.

                  Besides, Islamists aren't exactly liberal, are they?

                  If you are going to draw comparisons you would have to call out Christian Fundamentalists as they are the closest equivalency here in America. If we had harsher laws in this country, they would be calling for the deaths of homosexuals, too.

                  And liberals would be outraged.

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#10 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:27 AM EDT
                  Ryan-

                  It's not that Liberals are being silent about gay issues. Liberals tend to be silent on groups against gay issues that vote Democrat. One being Islamic and another being African American.

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:34 AM EDT
                  Susan-649485

                  I take issue with that statement.

                  The Islamic and African Americans that use their religion as an excuse to abuse people don't typically vote Democrat.

                  Not all minorities vote Democrat.

                  • 10 votes
                  #10.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:41 AM EDT
                  Ryan-

                  The Islamic and African Americans that use their religion as an excuse to abuse people don't typically vote Democrat.

                  You do realize that Obama received 90% of the Black vote. PEW research did a poll in 2010 and 59% of African Americans opposed gay marriage.

                  So to answers your reply, most African Americans that vote Democrat oppose gay marriage.

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:07 AM EDT
                  Susan-649485

                  If your statistics are correct, those 59% of African Americans which are against gay marriage clearly aren't the "kill homosexuals" type.

                  If they were, they wouldn't vote Democrat.

                  • 3 votes
                  #10.4 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:25 AM EDT
                  Jo.ex royal.navy

                  Susan-649485 If they were, they wouldn't vote Democrat.

                  Thank you and sound logic. :-).

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.5 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:30 AM EDT
                  Ryan-

                  Susan, here are the statistics:

                  http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1755/poll-gay-marriage-gains-acceptance-gays-in-the-military

                  I never said they were that type. I just said that the Left was silent about one of their largest voter groups and their disapproval of homosexuals.

                  You can disagree and ignore the issue, as most do. But it is a reality.

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.6 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:33 AM EDT
                  Susan-649485

                  But Democrats aren't like Conservatives. We don't expect everyone to have the same views.

                  The majority of African Americans don't support same sex marriage (by the way - that isn't ignored - we are all fully aware that the majority of African Americans in California voted to ban gay marriage) but those views are not extreme enough to cause those voters to vote Republican.

                  It's all a matter of priorities. Which views do the voters feel are most important?

                  Since the majority of African Americans vote Democrat despite their discomfort with gay marriage, homophobia is not as much of an issue for them as it is for Christian Fundamentalists.

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.7 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:50 AM EDT
                  Ryan-

                  Since the majority of African Americans vote Democrat despite their discomfort with gay marriage, homophobia is not as much of an issue for them as it is for Christian Fundamentalists.

                  African Americans are the most religious group in the US as a percentage.

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.8 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:26 AM EDT
                  Michelle-340891

                  Ryan: And how much POWER do they have in our government? Especially considering that MOST politicians are white? I don't see a lot of US black people involved in the "Kill the Gay" Ugandan bill ... do you? No. For the most part, they are the "C" Street gang and their like ... and I'd wager that 99% of that group is WHITE and REPUBLICAN.

                  I don't see a lot of the GOP trying to stop anti-gay marriage laws. In fact, overwhelmingly, they are behind them and promoting them.

                  • 3 votes
                  #10.9 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:23 PM EDT
                  Ryan-

                  Michelle, the fact is, Black people are overwhelmingly religious, against gay marriage, and overwhelmingly democrat.

                  You can try and twist it to point at the GOP. But my point has nothing to do with the GOP, it has to do with the Democrats failing to call out it's own supporters.

                  Persoanally I'm not religious, and am not against gay marriage. I just wish the Democrat Party would address it's own issues with in it's Party.

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.10 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:58 PM EDT
                  Michelle-340891

                  Ryan: I can agree that black people are religious and more homophobic as a group. And yes, they are mostly Dem. And I agree that the party could do more to educate and update that mindset within the community. Here's hoping that in the future, that will be addressed. In the meantime, overwhelmingly the younger generations do NOT feel the same way that the older ones do about homosexuality. Here's hoping that that trend continues.

                  However, my point is that the black community does NOT have the power to change law. They do not have the representation on Capital Hill, and they aren't the ones who propose legislation denying homosexuals the right to marry. Overwhelmingly, it is white GOP members who do. Considering that the GOP openly encourages such behavior and mindset, I'd say that they have a much farther path to travel. Wouldn't you?

                  • 4 votes
                  #10.11 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:01 PM EDT
                  Randy McMurphy

                  Ryan

                  What you should be asking is why the REPUBLIK party is so ideologically aligned with African Americans, yet can only garner some 670,000 Votes out of a population of 40 million, and the DEMOCRATIC party can get 16 million African American votes...

                  • 4 votes
                  #10.12 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:08 PM EDT
                  dakaiser11

                  There is a huge difference between being opposed to gay marriage, and wishing harm on those that seek it, as this article suggests.

                  Ryan suggests that we are not speaking out against democrat minorities that oppose gay marriage.

                  Religion and morally conservative views are strongest in the lower income groups in cities. That is also the demographic with the largest minority populations. Those groups prefer the democrat social agendas dealing with aid programs, but generally do not agree with the liberal social programs about subjects like abortion and gay marriage. Since there isn't really a party that meets those criteria, they favor the one that feeds their family over the one that controls the morality of others. There is such a thing as a conservative democrat.

                  But when liberal democrats are defending gay rights, they defend them against the outspoken voices in the form of groups which protest and petition. They don't hold back on anyone that speaks out against gay rights.

                  However you cannot take a bunch of poll numbers and start painting targets to attack. You have to let the targets paint themselves. If a group speaks out against gay rights, you can speak out against them. If a bunch of polled individuals disagree with it, you can only speak out against the idea.

                    #10.13 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:02 AM EDT
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                    dakaiser11

                    Liberal devotion to freedom of religion, leads to allowing the religion of ultra-conservatives that use that religion to oppress gays. Thus supporting freedom of religion supports oppressing homosexuals? That is some very faulty logic.

                    So, that would also mean that anyone that supports the American constitution that upholds religious freedom, also supports killing Gays. You are saying our soldiers support giving their lives to kill gays.

                    Supporting a freedom does not mean you endorse the ideas that might use it. Supporting free speech does not mean you support the Nazi group that uses it. Supporting a democratic government does not mean you support abortion just because some laws in that government allow it.

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#11 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:47 AM EDT
                    reddirthippy

                    In my view this statement shows a complete misunderstanding

                    The Left is always eager to advance homosexuality

                    Homosexuality isn't an ideology or an agenda it just is. It is just one more point on the T-curve of human existence.

                    I oppose homosexuality because the Bible says that it is wrong, and I don't believe for a moment that gays are born to be homosexual. It is a choice.

                    I don't know if it is a cognitive decision, congenital, nature, nuture, or some combination. What I do know is I don't know and don't care. If it is nature then let people be who they are. If it is a choice then let people be who they want to be.

                    One thing I do know, religious affiliation is a choice.

                    Since the writer seems to want people divided into left and right try this on for size.

                    The right seeks to suppress civil rights based on religious doctrine. Establishing a civil law based solely on religious principle violates the intent of the constitution.

                    Yet, we hear not a word of protest from the radical Left.

                    I get the feeling this writer hears only what she wants to hear.

                    Not one word, which is evidence that there is a strange bond between these two.

                    Claiming a lie as evidence is bearing false witness a rather serious infraction and ungodly choice.

                    The only strange bond here is between a faulty conclusion and a preconceived notion.

                    • 6 votes
                    Reply#12 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
                    Brian-497171

                    What exactly is the "Liberal Lie" that is being exposed here?

                    Are democrats secretly supporting Islamist's anti-gay ideology? I doubt that.

                    Most democrats want equal rights for homosexuals. Most fundamentalist zealots do not - regardless of their brand of religion. It just so happens that here in the US, evangelical Christians have an unfortunate influence on US policy. So, naturally they are the group that gay right supporters focus on.

                    But "Liberal Lie"? C'mon.

                    • 9 votes
                    Reply#13 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:02 AM EDT
                    bdebogota

                    As usual, the extreme right chooses to define the terms of the debate with code words and loaded words and the left just accepts those terms compliantly. If the left were more assertive about not allowing the terms of the debate to be defined by their enemy but, rather, by common sense and common usage, the debate will almost always be easier to win. For example: "Pro-Life vs. Pro- Abortion." The inference is that Pro-Abortion is code for Pro-Death and who isn't Pro-Life in its broadest terms? If the left insisted that Pro-Life is an unfair characterization and the right can only debate abortion if they call themselves Anti-Abortion, the entire psychological paradigm of the debate changes in their favor. So, to with the issue of homosexual rights and the use of "gay: and "queer," both of which engender negative imagery. The left and homosexuals are fools for falling into the trap as adopting those words as their own as simply an act of defiance. Homosexuals are simply homosexuals as opposed to heterosexuals and no other descriptive, loaded names are needed. Boil it down: Homosexuals are human beings and therefore are entitled to human rights. As citizens in the US, they are also entitled to civil rights and constitutional rights of equal protection under the law. Whether some group believes that the homosexual lifestyle is by choice and/or that their god considers it a sin, or that, by their standards, giving homosexuals equal rights would bring the Republic to its moral knees is of no consequence. Those are their opinions and they are entitled to them. What they are not entitled to, however, is to employ those opinions in a way that infects society and deprives other human beings/citizens of their equal rights.

                    • 6 votes
                    Reply#14 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:29 AM EDT
                    Zorkmid

                    Sorry..but they will be "gay" "homosexuals", and/or "queer" all three can mean the same thing. you CANNOT consider "gay" to engender negative imagery when it's the SECOND word in the acronym LGBT group that everyone is supposes to believe in. And it wasn't long ago that the gay community praised "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" or "Queer as Folk" tv show. So please, people, don't get all bent out of shape over the words.

                    As far as rights, they have the same rights as other humans (at least in the US), they can vote, they can drive, they can fish, they can hold groups, they have the same bill of rights as straight people. Marriage isn't a right. It's a choice. Insurance isn't a right, it's an option. There is no difference between a gay couple wanting to be covered on insurance as there is a domestic partner (man/woman) who aren't married that want insurance. Some employers offer it but at a higher cost. That's what the "civil union" law is. This law IS NOT just for gay people. It's for any couple that want to be together that do not want to be married.

                    I think the gay community should count themselves lucky in the advances that our country has made toward their lifestyle. Look at how long it took for black people to even be considered a part of our country, and there's still struggles with it in some areas. Remember, there has been and always will be discrimination in this world. And it's getting to the point where no one is exempt from it. Consider this...if I proposed to have a month dedicated to being a white, american male, and wanted a parade of nothing but white people, how many protests do you think there would be calling me a racist? Or how about if I developed a "white only" cable network. Or a "straight" only tv program. If any of these were proposed, they would be laughed at and shut down because it would cause "controversy". Doesn't mean I'm racist. It just means that I'm proud of my heritage or proud of my straight orientation. You can't have it both ways. If the gay/black/yellow/straight community wants their own rights, then don't bash others for wanting their own rights as well.

                      #14.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT
                      bdebogota

                      So silly a post as to not be deserving of a response other than to point out its silliness.

                        #14.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:12 PM EDT
                        Janeinthisworld

                        What I find interesting is how religious homophobes know, they just know, that homosexuality is a choice. How could they possibly know?

                        Marriage isn't a right.

                        Yes it is. The SC said so in 1967, Loving v. Virginia. In fact, they even called it a basic fundamental right.

                        • 3 votes
                        #14.3 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:43 AM EDT
                        daMamma

                        Well if marriage is a "choice" and not a right, then why is the LGBT community not allowed to "choose" to be married? Why not just ban marriage altogether, with it all the thousands of laws that grant "special" rights to married couples?

                        • 3 votes
                        #14.4 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:12 PM EDT
                        C. Y.

                        Jane and DaMamma, good points.

                        FR's sent.

                        • 2 votes
                        #14.5 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:43 PM EDT
                        daMamma

                        By grace of being born straight, I enjoy far more rights than my family members or friends (and millions I don't know) who were born gay or lesbian.

                        We are all human, why are some of us "more" equal than others?

                        • 2 votes
                        #14.6 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT
                        800 lb. gorilla

                        We are all human, why are some of us "more" equal than others?

                        this is the question of the day.

                        i know, is it?

                        my morality is way more moral than your morality. :)

                        i would like to think that we are all equal, except for me, i am slightly below that. i have pretty broad shoulders. you can all dump on me.

                        • 1 vote
                        #14.7 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:08 PM EDT
                        Reply
                        samenslow

                        In the Middle East there is often a big difference between the "talk" and "the walk". For example, Turkish men have a real thing for transvestites. There is also a different definition of "gay". The active partner is not.

                        The "gay lifestyle" of the West doesn't exist (in Turkey some). Even those working with HIV/AIDS use the term "man with man" sex, not gay. Bisexual activity is quite common.

                        The differences are more based upon the attitude toward women and marriage. Romantic love is not often the reason for marriage. A woman is for kids, but, to many, unsuitable for real love. Often the "love" of a man is his "friend". This relation is most often non-sexual, but sometimes is.

                        The sexual mores of the Middle East are very different from the West. One main thing is that all matters sexual are to be private. There are no "birds and bees" discussions between fathers and sons or mothers and daughters. Public signs of affection are generally unacceptable.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#15 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:36 AM EDT
                        Jeremy-3192701

                        There are gay Islamists. The Left resists lumping all people of one group together for discrimination as the right does regularly.

                        • 5 votes
                        Reply#16 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:40 AM EDT
                        Soph0571

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#17 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:55 AM EDT
                        Jo.ex royal.navy

                        Hi Soph, You say it best, when you say ? :-) hahaha. Good to know you are about.

                        • 4 votes
                        #17.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT
                        Soph0571

                        Lol in a conference. Just tracking for later:)

                        • 4 votes
                        #17.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:23 AM EDT
                        Laochra

                        Soph needs no words to prove her point. She’s like a Jedi like that. :)

                        • 5 votes
                        #17.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:38 AM EDT
                        Pastor.Wade

                        Seems to me, you three maids are very good friends. All europeans too huh?

                        What is your deep interest in our system? Don't you have news over there? Or, is it you want to blame America?

                          #17.4 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT
                          TheNavyChief

                          Pastor - being that America is the leader of the free world, militarily as well as economically wouldn't it be smart for them to be interested in what happens here as it may effect them?

                          How ya doing Soph?

                          • 6 votes
                          #17.5 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
                          Soph0571

                          Pastor Wade if I were Jo I would delete you for being off topic and in breach of the CoH

                          Hey Chief:) How are you love, I am doing good:)

                          • 5 votes
                          #17.6 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:24 PM EDT
                          Jo.ex royal.navy

                          Pastor.Wade Seems to me, you three maids are very good friends. All europeans too huh?

                          Oh, we are friends, and yes, we are Europeans too. Now, I wonder how that is possibly relevant to this seed? Unless? No! We have a perfect right to comment on Martian politics if we wish to. I saw that The British Prime Minister was on the front page, he met Obama you know. So did The Queen. World wide web pastor, not just for people in one state of America.
                          Hi Chief, love ya! keep em on their toes. :-)

                          • 9 votes
                          #17.7 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:30 PM EDT
                          StevG-144

                          For a pastor your awful Judgemental wade, The vine is open to everyone even you, but a certain line of respect needs to be attended to, you are off target of the seed and don't care, and think a nationality attach makes More sense, so I why don't you seed one, and have a great time, and leave people who want to discuss this topic lone

                          • 6 votes
                          #17.8 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:37 PM EDT
                          Jo.ex royal.navy

                          StevG :-) :-)

                          • 4 votes
                          #17.9 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:48 PM EDT
                          Jim420

                          pastor Wade, you obviously are a homosexual pastor for a liberal church.... otherwise you wouldn't be commenting on this seed.... after all what is your interest in homosexual politics??

                          • 5 votes
                          #17.10 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:07 PM EDT
                          TR-421173

                          COH again Wade, read & follow, or you will get banned again & will have to again come up with a new name to troll by.

                          • 1 vote
                          #17.11 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:25 PM EDT
                          Reply
                          IconoclastX

                          There once was a time when Christians were a hated & persecuted minority that were fed to the lions; many of them seem to have forgotten this, & still act as though they're the victims even though they themselves are now the lions. Hopefully one day the gay community will get its Daniel.

                          • 11 votes
                          Reply#18 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT
                          Matt Taylor

                          Liberals oppose any form of oppression, and no, stopping someone from oppressing another is not itself oppression. Therefore, it is totally consistent to oppose both Christians oppressing Muslims and Islamists oppressing homosexuals.

                          • 8 votes
                          Reply#19 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:03 AM EDT
                          Jo.ex royal.navy

                          Matt Taylor

                          Thank you Matt.

                          IconoclastX

                          I think people have to remember thae past, sometimes, they can not see the future though.

                          Thank you for posting.

                          • 4 votes
                          #19.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:14 AM EDT
                          Reply
                          Polka14

                          This seed is pure nonsense. What occurs in the Islamic world is none of our concern. The left advances equal rights based on sexual orientation not some secret agenda to promote homosexuals above others. The real threat to civil rights based on sexual orientation in this nation is from the Christians and their intolerant worldview.

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#20 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:49 AM EDT
                          research100

                          So Man landed on the Moon huh? I wonder what Sun Myung Moon would say about this. This is something that I didn't know...He is the United States religious leader (born in Korea) who founded the Unification Church in 1954; was found guilty of conspiracy to evade taxes (born in 1920)

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#21 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:56 AM EDT
                          research100

                          Was his trial given in a court of law by a judge? Was he falsely accused? Was he innocent? Who found the guilt and what evidence did they have? What does evade taxes mean? I wonder if I can find a newspaper clip of the story? Was he sentenced to jail? The Unification Church is a Christian church (with some Buddhist elements) founded in1954 by Sun Myung Moon and known for staging mass weddings and other communal activities.

                            #21.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:37 PM EDT
                            huskergal

                            Here are some great links in regard to moon

                            ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon_tax_fraud_and_conspiracy_case

                            http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Sun_Myung_Moon

                            These should answer your question research100

                            • 1 vote
                            #21.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
                            research100

                            I didn't ask you. Here's a question. I didn't ask you? You can keep your links or maybe someone else might find them useful but I would never open and read a link from you. It will take you forever to get that. But it is a joke. lol

                            • 1 vote
                            #21.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:22 PM EDT
                            huskergal

                            Ok research. I thank you for being honest. I'll put you on my ignore list so that it will never happen again.

                            • 1 vote
                            #21.4 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT
                            research100

                            you are not going to put me anywhere. I will ignore that. Add that to your list of lists.

                            • 1 vote
                            #21.5 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:17 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            KitKat51

                            "An alliance between the left and Islam". What alliance??? What does that even mean??? If the bullchit gets any deeper, hipwaders will be required. There is no "alliance". There's your LIE for ya. What insane garbage.

                            • 10 votes
                            Reply#22 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT
                            Jo.ex royal.navy

                            KitKat51 There's your LIE for ya. What insane garbage.

                            Trouble is, many on the right accept this.

                            • 6 votes
                            #22.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:27 PM EDT
                            KitKat51

                            I know Jo. How well I know... That's what gets my blood boiling. One cannot even have a reasonable conversation with most on the right. They live on a steady diet of lies and the more outrageous the lies, the more raveneous they become. I just cannot understand this level of ignorance. I think I need to get off the vine for a while.

                            • 3 votes
                            #22.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
                            Jo.ex royal.navy

                            KitKat. Sent you a FR. Please accept, and stay a while. :-)

                            • 2 votes
                            #22.3 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:25 AM EDT
                            C. Y.

                            I just cannot understand this level of ignorance. I think I need to get off the vine for a while.

                            You're not the only one who occasionally takes a break from the Vine for these reasons. I sometimes do as do a few others I've talked to. Sometimes trying to reason with certain people is extremely frustrating.

                            • 1 vote
                            #22.4 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            yeagerdog

                            I thought that Islam didn't have any homosexuals. 

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#23 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:44 PM EDT
                            baddestbob

                            yeah, and i thought the earth was flat until i was about 5 or 6. homosexuals are a part of humanity. the sooner the flat earthers recognize this fact and stop with their homocaust efforts, the sooner we can begin to solve problems much more serious than somebody's sexuality.

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#24 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
                            Jo.ex royal.navy

                            baddestbob the sooner we can begin to solve problems much more serious than somebody's sexuality.

                            Thank you for your very realistic POV. Thanks for posting too. :-)

                            • 4 votes
                            #24.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:53 PM EDT
                            Zorkmid

                            that is the definate issue. Why are there such debates as homosexuals and what they can and can't do, when there are so many other problems that our world is facing? It's should always be "what happens behind the bedroom doors is no ones business" Unfortunately it will always be a debate and cause for uproar in the face of more important issues. Some say that the government uses this, among other trivialities, to cover up more important problems. That's a shame if that is the case.

                            • 1 vote
                            #24.2 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:14 PM EDT
                            KitKat51

                            AMEN Baddestbob! Voted Up!

                            • 1 vote
                            #24.3 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
                            Jake319

                            We give the right to much credit for their propaganda being successful . I read other articles on that site. There were no comments on the dozen or so articles I read. Usually there is a counter for number of visitors to the site. My impression is that this is just a hundred of rob aides maintained by the rights propaganda minister..

                            What pisses me off is who pays for this cult like activity? The strategy of the right is to lay siege to all liberal believes Causing liberal ideas to be constantly defended.

                              #24.4 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:44 PM EDT
                              Reply
                              Jeff-2596821

                              Wow that article was complete crap. I don't oppose capitalism, I oppose unrestricted capitalism. I am not allied with Islam, I just go after Christians more because they are the majority in my country hence when they start getting out of control it has more of an effect on me. I think Muslims are just as insane as Christians, they do use the same book as their foundation after all. I do not have disdain for America, I enlisted in the Marines and served for 5 years, I have disdain for some of our policies because they are stupid. What a horrible article, it just throws out general statements without any supporting evidence.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#25 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:11 PM EDT
                              800 lb. gorilla

                              it just throws out general statements without any supporting evidence.

                              welcome to the vine!

                              • 1 vote
                              #25.1 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:45 PM EDT
                              Reply
                              snarky68

                              I am speaking, of course, of the Islamists. How can the Left be so silent about the call for death to homosexuals?

                              Hi Jo, Nice to meet you. My two cents worth if I may? It seems that everytime someone criticizes the Islam or Muslim religion, they are immediately branded an intolerant racist and a call to a violent retaliation is heard from the radical clerics.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#26 - Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:09 PM EDT
                              Jo.ex royal.navy

                              Hi Snarky, nice to meet you too. ;-)

                              • 3 votes
                              #26.1 - Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:51 AM EDT
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