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Campaigning against Israeli apartheid has resulted in 23 US citizen Palestinian solidarity activists facing US federal grand jury

Seeded on Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:11 AM EDT
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I am a Palestine solidarity activist in the US, and one of 23 US citizens who have been issued with a subpoena to appear before a federal grand jury as part of what the government has said is an investigation into violations of the laws banning material support to foreign "terrorist organisations".

None of us have given money or weapons to any group on the State Department's foreign terrorist organisation list. But what many of us have done is participate in or help organise educational trips to meet with Palestinians and Colombians resisting the US-funded military regimes they live under.

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Jo.ex royal.navy

None of us have given money or weapons to any group on the State Department's foreign terrorist organisation list. But what many of us have done is participate in or help organise educational trips to meet with Palestinians and Colombians resisting the US-funded military regimes they live under.

Is this possible? Could the land of the free, be infected by some anti freedom virus?

Tell me America, where might all this end!

  • 17 votes
#1 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:15 AM EDT
hashemalif

Is this possible YES

Could the land of the free, be infected by some anti freedom virus. So it appears!

Tell me America, where might all this end! Turmoil for America.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:41 AM EDT
palin's uncle

Hey Jo, another good pick of the day. You are getting good at this.

Hi Alif old boy, good to see ya!!#

Is this possible YES. Our government is all about prevention rather than cure.

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:48 AM EDT
StevG-144

President Obama and this administration have worked tirelessly, in both word and deed, across the UN system, to ensure that Israel's legitimacy is beyond dispute and that Israel has the opportunity to contribute fully to all institutions to which it belongs,"

The government will always stand by Israel, its the people that are getting fed up with their ways, and treatment of people. The government has seen this trend, and is trying to change that opinion, but as more people see exactly what Israel as become, it will be harder and harder.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:55 AM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Alif and Unc. Good to see you both. :-) Thank you for posting.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:55 AM EDT
Soph0571

All the old gang:) yay!

Criminalisation of protest in the land of the free?

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:09 PM EDT
Pastor.Wade

Here we are. Blame America first people. I am tired of hearing from the whining liberal haters of America and our allies around the world. The time is coming when people need to realise weather they are Americans or not. 23 of them are going to get a chance. IMO, the can all go live in Palestine if it means so much to them.

  • 7 votes
#1.6 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:19 PM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Pastor, who else is there to blame here? As normal sir, you are very predictable. Thanks for posting.

  • 8 votes
#1.7 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:26 PM EDT
Kyle-2710718

Is this possible? Could the land of the free, be infected by some anti freedom virus?

America, "Land of the Free", as long as your opinion is in lock step with the establishment.

If not, well... Does the term "Gulag" sound familiar?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita

The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn1page1.stm

England / Wales have the highest per capita prison population in Western Europe.

I wonder why?

Tell me America, where might all this end! Turmoil for America.

If things keep going the way they are... Revolution.

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT
Pallas Athene

More prevalent signs of our newly minted Police State, heck let's just go ahead and make the Patriot act a permanent feature. /s

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
California Militia

poster said:

None of us have given money or weapons to any group on the State Department's foreign terrorist organisation list.

thats not what you have been subpeonad for though is it? it said.

what the government has said is an investigation into violations of the laws banning material support to foreign "terrorist organisations".

so you interpret the words material support as money or weapons. interesting that you should state money, because anything that you would have given would have cost something had you not given it right? So in an indirect way that is money. have you fed them, given them materials with which they can build bunkers, or possibly a computer they could use to hack websites.... many things can be used as a weapon you know...

anyway its just semantics. to bad you couldnt throw your good will toward a people who didnt support a government that is a terrorist organization who directly and indiscrimanently targets civilians. GOOD FOR YOU! AND GOOD LUCK IN COURT.

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT
Kyle-2710718

US Population = 308,745,538 (2010 census)

Incarcerated = 2,193,798 (approximate)

China Population = about 1.32 billion

Incarcerated = 1,548,498 (approximate)

It is pretty sad when the United states has more people locked up than big, bad, Communist China, and the population of China exceeds the US by more than a 4:1 ratio.

  • 8 votes
#1.11 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:04 PM EDT
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Soph0571

Pastor.Wade - you are so out of order. reported inflammatory and directly to admin. Shame on you.

  • 7 votes
#1.13 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:23 PM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Pastor Wade.

I think you have mistaken me for someone in your head. Goodbye, plaease do not return.

  • 7 votes
#1.14 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:24 PM EDT
Pallas Athene

@kyle

We have made our Justice system about profits now , private industries are deeply rooted and invested in keeping those numbers high and climbing, after all they do want MORE profits every year, not the same. This is just how it is, and it will only get more tough , more horrible. China has harsh laws yes, but they do not have companies and lobbyist etc, hounding them to keep the jails full. On a for profit system nothing is safe, not your life, not Justice and law and dang sure not health care lol.

I have been trying to open a few eyes about "the land of the free" too, most don't seem to like hearing it, but the truth is like that, tough to swallow.

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:25 PM EDT
Soph0571

Jo you should delete that comment IMO. It is sooooo in breach of the CoH. Truly offensive.

  • 7 votes
#1.16 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:27 PM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Pastor Wade. Calling the seeder a whore and a lesbian, in the same comment is not acceptable. It also breaches the COH. I have taken your comment down. I invite you to leave. NOW.

  • 9 votes
#1.17 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:40 PM EDT
Wheel

Jo you should delete that comment IMO. It is sooooo in breach of the CoH. Truly offensive.

I second that motion.

  • 7 votes
#1.18 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:54 PM EDT
ryan-244815

McCarthyism 2.0...

  • 1 vote
#1.19 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:10 PM EDT
Kyle-2710718

Pastor.Wade - you are so out of order. reported inflammatory and directly to admin. Shame on you.

Soph, darlin'... I think Pastor.Wade is no longer an issue... When I clicked on his user name to try to report him as a malicious user, all I got was:

Oh my. There doesn't seem to be a page here anymore.

Sorry about that!

:-)

  • 4 votes
#1.20 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:30 PM EDT
Wheel

a government that is a terrorist organization who directly and indiscrimanently targets civilians.

You must be talking about the govt of Israel which deliberately, maliciously and ruthlessly targeted civilian targets with the most modern weapons of mass destruction available during the atrocity known as Cast Lead.

As well as routinely targeting non-violent demonstrators and their children with threats, harassment, imprisonment, assault and murder.

  • 7 votes
#1.21 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:39 PM EDT
ryan-244815

Bigots - Nature's little argument for eugenics...

  • 3 votes
#1.22 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:39 PM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

Wheel.

Jo you should delete that comment IMO. It is sooooo in breach of the CoH. Truly offensive.

I second that motion.

Thank you. It is the start of the silly season I think.xoxo. FR sent to you.

  • 4 votes
#1.23 - Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:48 AM EDT
California Militia

wheel,

im talking about all governments which are identified by the US government as a terrorist organization. israel is not one of them. and even if they are/were, i dont send them @!$%# either because i dont agree with the way they do things either. difference is, the US government wont subpeona you for supporting israel.

so before you knock me, why dont you look at the ENTIRE world instead of the nice little part that fits inside that head of yours. your deflection to blame israel shows you really dont know much at all.

how about looking at it like this.

if hamas and the so called palestinians give up all their weapons tomorrow, there would be peace, if israel were to give up all its weapons tomorrow, they would be attacked BY THESE PEOPLE.

catchy phrases and happy quotations dont mean squat....

  • 4 votes
#1.24 - Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT
Wheel

if hamas and the so called palestinians give up all their weapons tomorrow, there would be peace

Bull@!$%#. There would be a slaughter, just a repeat of the atrocity of Cast Lead.

catchy phrases and happy quotations dont mean squat....

But you don't mind repeating them do you?

  • 8 votes
#1.25 - Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:50 PM EDT
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worldcurmudgeon

What are you calling education, slanted of course against Israel as if they are really abusing Palestinians. Everyone knows that Palestinian history is full of violence against Jews, not just in the Middle East, but in Europe, Asia, and South America.

No guns, or money have to change hands, the people you deal with to educate people, to spread their literature, and their gospel are Hamas terrorists, they are murderers and even if you do not directly pull the trigger, you spread their idealism that does teach this kind of hatreds and bias against Jews not just in Israel but worldwide.

You will get your day in court, even if you don't agree, in the USA you can get it out on trial. In Palestine you would not get this opportunity, if you were spreading literature about Israel and the USA and about how they are being abused, you would be put on trial and condemned, then taken out and shot. They have a law that allows them to do this.

  • 3 votes
#1.27 - Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:30 PM EDT
Pallas Athene

There are two sides to every story

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/documents/frombeirut_to_jerusalem/waragainstwar.html

  • 4 votes
#1.28 - Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:39 PM EDT
worldcurmudgeon

Not impressed, when you blow up an ice cream shop and purposely target children, you response holds no water. This is the Arab terrorist MO, murder the 'enemy', if you cannot reach them, kill their children, their elderly, women, etc. And, it has been a centuries old strategy, whether its Jews, Christians, Buddhists, etc.

I will say there are cold blooded attacks on both sides. However, for centuries Jews have been handed a raw deal, now that they are handing it back, people are crying foul.

Solutions can be worked out, some give and take is necessary, however the Palestinians have shows only take, and when they start a war and lose, lose land, lose territory, they moan and groan. Letting Palestinians have an open border has already been historically proven to be a mistake. The Egyptians have found this out, so have the Jordanians and the Lebanese. Why, with all of their hatred toward Jews should Israel leave an open border?

  • 6 votes
#1.29 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:37 AM EDT
Wheel

when you blow up an ice cream shop and purposely target children, you response holds no water.

For example when Israel deliberately targeted children, schools and police stations during Cast Lead.

  • 7 votes
#1.30 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:13 AM EDT
mountainfirefall

I remember Rachel.

  • 4 votes
#1.31 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:51 AM EDT
worldcurmudgeon

Roll on Wheel, your comments are cancelled out by the actions of those Palestinian terrorists you consider freedom fighters whom are actually child killers. Even among the Palestinians, these thugs sacrifice their own children in the name of jihad. Their blood letting knows no bounds.

  • 3 votes
#1.32 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:52 PM EDT
Wheel

Bull@!$%# curmudgeon. That is typical zionist apologist logic.

"Well....they did something bad too."

That is nonsense when children try to use it as an excuse and it's nonsense here.

As for bloodletting know no bounds, tell it to the 1400 innocents deliberately murdered by Israel during the atrocity of Cast Lead.

  • 6 votes
#1.33 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
Meloney

Their blood letting knows no bounds.

I recognize that sort of derogatory declarative. It's a blood libel.

Did we restrict that term to Jews only after Palin used it?

Taken in context I think you mean Palestinians persevere in resistance despite the great sacrifices they've had to face in being subjugated by Israel. True enough that is.

  • 7 votes
#1.34 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:45 PM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

worldcurmudgeon thank you for posting But.

Be careful, very close to COH issues.

  • 5 votes
#1.35 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
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rougy77

Law of the law makers, eh?

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

rougy77 Thank you for your comment. Thank you for calling round, and it could be you are right.

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:53 AM EDT
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curtonthebeach

Jo.ex royal.navy

Great seed, thanks for finding it.

  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:09 PM EDT
Jo.ex royal.navy

curtonthebeach

Thanks for reading it.

  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:29 PM EDT
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Mateo-660030

as if an entire nation of people can be generalised as criminals

and yet the article does exactly that whenever referring to Israel...

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT
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rozdane

I would like to see people in the US stand up and protest against the slow capitulation of their rights to protest and campaign against tyrants just as the people in middle-east are doing.

Good seed jo

  • 9 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:37 PM EDT
Meloney

That is what Maureen Murphy (seed author & Chicago resident) is/has been doing. I was ready to show up to the Chicago Court house where the grand jury investigation was scheduled back in January of this year. It was cancelled after all 23 subpoenaed witnesses invoked their right to not testify.

Here's Breitbart's take on the situation. As you can see by the imaginings in that link the potential ties to "terrorism" extend to any reach of rightwing opposition.

There has been no word from Fitzgerald's office on continuing the investigation. It could be their involvement in another recent "terror" case (the "Mumbai" connected Chicago businessman) has provided sufficient distraction?

Anyway I think that since Homeland Security has pumped megabucks into efforts for "dots" connecting there is still a backlog of suspected dot connections. Some are worth more political mileage to mine than others.

I think we still have agencies packed with Bush appointees who see no conflict in pushing investigations that serve to intimidate or cast a bad light on rightwing opposition. I think our government agencies have given out too many intel/security contracts to go fishing for "dots" (this one especially irked me) that will continue to be a source of political coercion for many years.

  • 7 votes
#6.1 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:09 AM EDT
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A European

The whole thing is just a bunch of manipulation.

Hamas was democratically elected and apparently in a cleaner way than GW Bush for his first presidency.

When one tries to learn a bit more about this organization, it gets evident that beyond military activies, the organization has mainly replaced an Palestinian administration which disappeared after having been continuously detroyed by Israel. From what I can see, its military actions is nothing more than a very weak answer to the many Israeli outrages, which are endless. In other words they are very short on the retaliation issues. But enough apparently to be considered as a terrorist organization.

As per me, the facts are more imjportant than the theories (read propaganda); I would say that if Hamas is terror organization, then the IDF is one also and without doubts; the Israeli politicians deserve far more to be put in jail than the many (>6000) Pal prisoners in Israel.

Today the word TERRORISM is frequently used by states to describe opponents. When you look at the way drones are used to kill targets (and civilians without real distinction), you have to wonder at least, whats make a drone operator cleaner than a terrorist. You can argue that the drone operator obeys a military command a so, the state. Well, Hamas is the state and for some part of it, it is also a military organization and I don't see any party being cleaner than the other.

Being opposed to the death penalty, I think any target that Israel decides to kill, is in fact a crime; those crimes are so numerous, that they for sure, constitute enough material for a case of war crimes against humanity.

  • 4 votes
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