UK detains Palestinian-Israeli leader.

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good to C U too Jo

First, there are two Islamic Movements in Israel, north and south. Sallah is [t]he leader of the northern one.

So what?

Second, I suggest that you ask yourselves what he came to do in England.

Raed Salah was invited to speak for Palestine and Jerusalem in the British Parliament, but the Zionists are scared of the indigenous Palestinians free voices.

British authorities detain Sheikh Salah

Sheikh Raed was due to speak at tonight' Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) event in Parliament, where he was scheduled to share a panel with MPs and Peers, speaking on "Building Peace and Justice in Jerusalem".

First, there are two Islamic Movements in Israel, north and south. Sallah is [t]he leader of the northern one.

I am setting the record straight. The article is not being accurate factually.

Sheikh Raed was due to speak at tonight's Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) event in Parliament, where he was scheduled to share a panel with MPs and Peers, speaking on "Building Peace and Justice in Jerusalem".

I don't know if you know of or remember the late "Rabbi" Kahana. Sheikh Raed is his Islamic mirror image. Kahana's party has been banned from running in the elections in Israel. If Sheikh Raed is invited to speak about Building Peace and Justice in Jerusalem, then Nassrallah should speak about Building Peace and Justice in Lebanon.

I don't know if you know of or remember the late "Rabbi" Kahana. Sheikh Raed is his Islamic mirror image.

Is there any evidence to support your claims?

If Sheikh Raed is invited to speak about Building Peace and Justice in Jerusalem, then Nassrallah should speak about Building Peace and Justice in Lebanon.

Let us not branch away from topic in hand please.

Benjamin Netanyahu was invited to speak about building peace with the Palestinians.

What is the topic here then?

I suspect that you know who Raed Sallah is, you just consider his views OK. All the others on this seed probably don't know. So I am saying, the guy is a menace. Not everyone that you see on the street is a Islamist biggot, but this one is.

Saying who Sallah is by reference to known quantities is off topic? I beg to differ.

Benjamin Netanyahu was invited to speak about building peace with the Palestinians.

Don't get me started about Netanyahu. But consider this: the public opinion in Europe, and particularly in Britain, does everything in its power to bolster the siege mentality in Israel. Everyone in Israel except the lunatic left fringe realizes that some component of this is antisemitism. How do you expect the Israeli Peace Camp to function in this environment? They (we!) are regarded as aligned with antisemites. The Israeli public can't be convinced to second-guess Netanyahu. And so, it will be easy for Netanyahu to continue to win elections here, until he is replaced by Lieberman.

After all, Raed Sallah is one of the main reason why Lieberman currently has 15 MKs. Take a million people born and raised in the USSR, give them the vote, present the likes of Sallah to them - what would you expect? Extremists of the world - unite!

If, in all the demonstrations against Israeli misdeeds, we will start to see Israeli flags hoisted, then there might be a chance for a dialog with Europe. Those demonstrators say they want peace. Most of them are probably sincere. But what they are doing is the opposite.

How do you expect the Israeli Peace Camp to function in this environment? They (we!) are regarded as aligned with antisemites.

Change is hard. Yes, your opposition will align you with evil-doers. Today the smear might be guilt by association to a maligned prominent Muslim, tomorrow it will be another tactic like an appeal to the tribe, or vengance for past injustices.

Don't ever let your opposition define who you are. They will not speak well for you.

Here is another Jew in the Peace Camp who is also struggling with how to be heard.

Thanks, Meloney.

I agree with that other lady, say, up to 98%. Two remarks:

(1) In some circles, it is indeed frowned upon if one expresses an opinion against the wrongs of the current situation. But in other circles, the opposite is the case: you can't be pro-Israel (e.g., an incident in Haifa U. this week).

(2) Of course, pro-Palestinian is one thing, and anti-Semite is quite another. I would prefer one who is pro-Peace, that is willing to accept that each side might have its own legitimate interests, and those should be balanced through negotiations.

An article that I read this week and I might seed, said that antisemitism is a conspiracy theory about the distribution of power in society. The oppressed need a simple explanation for their plight, and the oppressors need a scapegoat. This explains a lot.

It could just be that objective social wrongs drive people on both sides of the Green Line to vote in elections for whoever promises to be firmer with the other side. In harsh economic environments, it is hard to be mellow towards the other side.

I would prefer one who is pro-Peace, that is willing to accept that each side might have its own legitimate interests, and those should be balanced through negotiations.

yep - recognizing legitimacy both ways - great start. I hope some of the heat comes off the discussion and sheds some light toward those negotiations.

Jo.ex royal.navy: Thanks for the history lesson, but this time it is a new phenomenon. All those examples are of foreigners that came with the intention to fit in. The current wave either comes with the intention to change Europe, or its second generation develops this desire. You can see this creating problems all over Western Europe. Did you dream, say, 20 years ago, that it will be a mortal danger to publish caricatures in Denmark?

Re the article that Meloney posted: any connection between what's written in it and the truth is rather flimsy. It seems that most sentences are, well, libelous against Israel. How is this thing called in English, a diatribe?

falsely claimed that the guest speaker, Shaikh Raed Salah, had previously made anti-Jewish remarks, which he has categorically refuted.

I know what a categorical denial is. What is a categorical refutation? Anyway, why don't you read something that he actually said? I expect that the sheer number of anti-Jewish remarks make it quite probable to find one in any random speech.

their paymasters in Tel Aviv

The writer didn't mean this as a compliment. Who is paying who and how much? I myself have been accused on this site of being on somebody's payroll. As if no one can defend his country without financial incentives. Who is paying that writer - that's what I'd like to know.

The next paragraph in the article is pure and unadulterated slander. No facts, except that if anyone is pro-Israel, then they must be "bankrupt of any intellectual, moral or political tools".

defies all logic

I am asking myself, should I continue? Isn't it clear by now that the writer is foaming at the mouth? Well, no, because he is also a liar. See the next sentence:

If the accusations had any factual basis, he, an Israeli citizen, would have been arrested and prosecuted for them in Israel

Ooops... He was prosecuted and jailed at least twice, each time for a few months, last time he got out was in early 2010. After all, nothing like sitting in an Israeli jail to bolster an image of a Muslim warrier.

Everyone knows that the Israeli authorities exercise little restraint and need no excuse to act with impunity against those whom it deems to be its enemies at home and abroad.

Simply propaganda. Just try to think what you need to do to verify this assertion, and what you need to claim. How are these convictions passed thru Israel Supreme Court? Israeli Press? The leftist organizations?

The writer says that Sallah spoke at TAU. Maybe this is true, maybe not. I seem to recall that he was barred from a similar event recently. But some TAU professors are of the extreme lunatic fringe. Last year, Alan Dershwitz made a speech there that implied, without naming anyone, that some TAU students with right-wing opinions feel intimidated and are afraid to speak their political mind; immediately, some 200 TAU faculty have provided their own names as evidence to that, in signing a letter to TAU's president asking to sever all ties with Dershowitz.

Not to mention Prof. Shlomo Sand.... Oops, I just did.

Salah has never been convicted of incitement to racial hatred or anti-Jewish remarks in his homeland

Here is that lie again. I am not sure if you can actually convict for "remarks". The problem is "incitement to violence" which poses an eminent and close (certain? I'm not sure) danger of violence. He has passed that bar multiple times.

I'll stop here, because this remark is getting too long, and the article is still long. If anyone still think that there is merit to this article, then please tell me where. And I still have to tell you what Sallah has done to become such a figure.

But some TAU professors are of the extreme lunatic fringe

That is your opinion, other opinions are that certain israeli Government officials are of the extreme lunatic fringe.

Actually, my opinion is that both statements are true. :)

Tselly

Actually, my opinion is that both statements are true. :)

I hate you, now I had to vote on one of your post :)

I'm interested to learn how the British government will explain it's actions against Salah.

Jo- 6.1

Most of the problems we encounter are based on ignorance and fear.

Now they don't want to admit to that so we may hear a lame unspecified security risk (aka terror boogieman) as the reason for detaining Salah. Whatever they come up with they'll have the additional burden of explaining whether entry security was lax or incompetent or what when he arrived (with prior notice) through conventional means.

A bureaucratic snafu is to blame:

It has now emerged that Sheikh Salah was able to enter Britain without being stopped, despite the ban, because border officials believed he was flying to Terminal One rather than Terminal Five and sent an alert to the wrong place.

and they apparently never thought it odd that he did not arrive at the designated terminal so let him carry on ... so they've chosen to go with the "incompetence" excuse for permitting his entry.